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T O P I C R E V I E WNeoKittyWhy on this earth do we call Butterflys, Butterflys? It's a warped, nonsence name. Flutterby is much more logical and fitting!I just don't get it, I think its nice if we all started calling them by their real, beautiful name. I only refer to them as flutterbys, and I try to encourage others to do so as well.What do you think?------------------"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter." Long Chen PaRandallI'll buy that. ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkNeoKittyGreat! Who else? I've told my family and friends, and they love the idea.------------------"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter." Long Chen PaSaffroni believe i've read somewhere that the original word actually was 'flutterbys'.it changed somehow along the way....i'll try to find where i discovered that.NeoKittyoooh ooh yes please, I just know it to be true ------------------"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter." Long Chen PaRandall ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkPetronAn erroneous etymology claims that the word butterfly came from a metathesis of "flutterby"; however, the Old English word was buttorfleoge and a similar word occurs in Dutch, apparently because butterflies were thought to steal milk. http://www.searchspaniel.com/index.php/Butterfly ********Jim Bowman writes: "I'm sure someone has already noted that the Biblical story of Babel agrees with the theory of one original language from which all the others emanate. There seem to be certain "primal words" such as father, mother, God, etc, that are similar. But unanswered is why certain other "primal" words are so different from language to language. One that fascinates me in particular is "butterfly," since the study of butterflies is one of my interests. What is the relationship between "butterfly," "papillion," "mariposa," "Schmetterling," "paru-paru" (tagalog), "piusiah" (Thai), "hu dieh" (Mandarin), "nabi" (Korean), etc. I forget how this is said in several other languages, but so far I have not run into one similarity or root in-commonness. And, by the way, nobody knows for sure the origin of "butterfly," which indicates it is a very old word in the language. [Some say it could be a spoonerism of Flutterby, or the color of some northern hemisphere swallowtails]. RH:I thought butterfly was a spoonerism for flutterby, but the Oxford English Dictionary gives a less poetic etymology: [f. BUTTER n.1 + FLY n.; with OE. buttorfleoe cf. Du. botervlieg, earlier botervlieghe, mod.G. butterfliege. The reason of the name is unknown: Wedgwood points out a Du. synonym boterschijte in Kilian, which suggests that the insect was so called from the appearance of its excrement.] http://wais.stanford.edu/Language/language_GenderOrigins(102703).html ********Besides being the name for a delightful garden visitor, the butterfly has a flight action that has lent its name to several English expressions:“butterfly stroke”, for swimmers who move both extended arms in parallelcircles; “butterfly kiss”, for a gentlestroke on the cheek with a lover’seyelashes; and “butterflies in thestomach”, for shaky feelings insidewhen nervous.Among English speakers, there is avague idea that because a butterflydoesn’t have any obvious connectionwith butter, then the word is anexample of a reversal, which once upona time must have been “flutter-by”.But this is not the case. The word“butterfly” is very old. It has been inuse in English since the eighth centuryand is a simple joining of the old words butere (butter) and fleoge (fly).But why “butter”?Such a name suggests that all butterflies are yellow, which they arenot. But the basis of one explanation for their name is that whatever their colour, all butterflies have yellow excrement. Whether they’re red, blueor sparkling white, butterflies always leave a little yellow deposit before theyflutter off.Hence: butter-plus-fly.Not everyone calls them butterflies.In Greece, they’re known as vanessa.Spanish butterflies are calledmariposa. The French know them aspapillon. In Germany, you’d watch aschmetterling flutter by, while theItalians admire the farfalla http://64.233.161.104/search?q =cache:BgRZ1KXNWbIJ:www.spca.org.nz/av/av2002_summer_dr_doolittle.pdf+butterfly+flutterby+etymology&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 ********Flaterl, from the Germanic verb flattern, "to flutter," is the most widely used Yiddish word for butterflyWhere, then, does the "butter" of butterfly come from? About this there are three theories. One, basing itself on an archaic Dutch word for butterfly, boterschijte or "buttershit," is that this reflects the color of a butterfly's bowel movements. (On which my American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language comments acerbically, "This [would be] as astonishing a phenomenon as the fact that anyone ever noticed the color of butterfly excrement.") A second explanation, i.e., that some Lepidoptera are a buttery yellow, doesn't make much sense either: Why name butterflies just for the yellow ones? A third theory holds that, in medieval folklore, butterflies were believed to be disguised witches or fairies who stole butter from pantries and churns. The belief in butter-stealing fairies still existed in England at the time of Shakespeare, in whose "Midsummer Night's Dream" a fairy asks its fellow fairy, Puck:Are you not heThat fright the maidens of the villagery; Skim milk and sometimes labor in the quern,And bootless make the breathless housewife churn?The housewife churns "bootlessly" because Puck has stolen her butter. http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.09.13/arts4.html 26taurusWow! Very interesting! Great info Petron. I love learning the roots of words.Did you know: quote:You will be suprised to know that the English word love comes from a Sanskrit word lobha; lobha means greed. It may have been just a coincidence that the English word love grew out of a Sanskrit word that means greed, but my feeling is that it cannot be just a coincidence. There must be something more mysterious behind it. In fact, greed digested becomes love. It is greed, lobha, digested well, whhich becomes love.Love is sharing; greed is hoarding. Greed only wants and never gives, and love knows only giving and never asks for anything in return; it is unconditional sharing. There may be some alchemical reason that lobha has become love in the English language. Lobha becomes love as far as inner alchemy is concerned.Osho, from Love, Freedom and Aloneness the Koan of Realationships "Molten Butterfly Storm" NeoKittyGreat information thanks RandallGood stuff.------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkraihsFour year old son came out with this one day, completely made me giggle and makes perfect logic "Look at the flying flowers!", up till then they were butterflies at our house, now they're flying flowers. My son is a magic kid full of love and desire to explore and create often thinking up new words to express things. This is a beutiful one which took no time at all to stick, pass it round!Randall ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkNeoKittyThat's beautiful raihs ------------------"And dreams, don't ever forget, are the first step in manifesting wishes into reality"-- Linda Goodman's Star SignsNeoKittyW*E*L*C*O*M*E by the way!------------------"And dreams, don't ever forget, are the first step in manifesting wishes into reality"-- Linda Goodman's Star SignsraihsThank you all sweet ones for the welcome. Heartfelt thanx! Will keep you posted on my little son's wisdoms as they sprout forth. Like yesterday when he was swinging on the clothesline (naughty boy, but who can blame him) "Mum did you know everything's made of molecules?" He's nearly 5. My friends and family thought I was crazy when I'd say I could hear a child (Like a happy cry of hello from a distant hill) before I was pregnant with him.(started a year before the pregnancy), It's the same voice! I rejoice!I knew I wasn't nuts! (my opinion and I'm sticking to it) NeoKittyYes please raihs! WOW I'll share something with you!When my mother was a little girl, 4 or 5 years of age, she said to her mother:"MUM, Guess what? I was your mum once you know!?"And my nana just laughed, but for some reason, they both have always rememberd this 40 years later. Children are coiled with secrets ------------------"And dreams, don't ever forget, are the first step in manifesting wishes into reality"-- Linda Goodman's Star SignsRandall ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkSheaa OleinTruly incredible!I can believe it though, we can learn so much from children Reincarnation is another thing I am facinated by NeoKitty.raihs ~ I'd love to hear more pearls of wisdom from that magical child of yours! ------------------~* "I believe in magic" *~ KFRandallAs would I. ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkRandall*bump*------------------"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis CarrollSvetlanaNeoKitty: "Flutterbys" it is!Petron: thank you for great info.------------------You can't lead a cavalry charge if you think you look funny on a horse. J. Peers
What do you think?
------------------"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter."
Long Chen Pa
------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark
I've told my family and friends, and they love the idea.
it changed somehow along the way....
i'll try to find where i discovered that.
------------------"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter." Long Chen Pa
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Jim Bowman writes: "I'm sure someone has already noted that the Biblical story of Babel agrees with the theory of one original language from which all the others emanate. There seem to be certain "primal words" such as father, mother, God, etc, that are similar. But unanswered is why certain other "primal" words are so different from language to language. One that fascinates me in particular is "butterfly," since the study of butterflies is one of my interests. What is the relationship between "butterfly," "papillion," "mariposa," "Schmetterling," "paru-paru" (tagalog), "piusiah" (Thai), "hu dieh" (Mandarin), "nabi" (Korean), etc. I forget how this is said in several other languages, but so far I have not run into one similarity or root in-commonness. And, by the way, nobody knows for sure the origin of "butterfly," which indicates it is a very old word in the language. [Some say it could be a spoonerism of Flutterby, or the color of some northern hemisphere swallowtails].
RH:I thought butterfly was a spoonerism for flutterby, but the Oxford English Dictionary gives a less poetic etymology:
[f. BUTTER n.1 + FLY n.; with OE. buttorfleoe cf. Du. botervlieg, earlier botervlieghe, mod.G. butterfliege. The reason of the name is unknown: Wedgwood points out a Du. synonym boterschijte in Kilian, which suggests that the insect was so called from the appearance of its excrement.] http://wais.stanford.edu/Language/language_GenderOrigins(102703).html ********Besides being the name for a delightful garden visitor, the butterfly has a flight action that has lent its name to several English expressions:“butterfly stroke”, for swimmers who move both extended arms in parallelcircles; “butterfly kiss”, for a gentlestroke on the cheek with a lover’seyelashes; and “butterflies in thestomach”, for shaky feelings insidewhen nervous.Among English speakers, there is avague idea that because a butterflydoesn’t have any obvious connectionwith butter, then the word is anexample of a reversal, which once upona time must have been “flutter-by”.But this is not the case. The word“butterfly” is very old. It has been inuse in English since the eighth centuryand is a simple joining of the old words butere (butter) and fleoge (fly).But why “butter”?Such a name suggests that all butterflies are yellow, which they arenot. But the basis of one explanation for their name is that whatever their colour, all butterflies have yellow excrement. Whether they’re red, blueor sparkling white, butterflies always leave a little yellow deposit before theyflutter off.Hence: butter-plus-fly.Not everyone calls them butterflies.In Greece, they’re known as vanessa.Spanish butterflies are calledmariposa. The French know them aspapillon. In Germany, you’d watch aschmetterling flutter by, while theItalians admire the farfalla http://64.233.161.104/search?q =cache:BgRZ1KXNWbIJ:www.spca.org.nz/av/av2002_summer_dr_doolittle.pdf+butterfly+flutterby+etymology&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Flaterl, from the Germanic verb flattern, "to flutter," is the most widely used Yiddish word for butterfly
Where, then, does the "butter" of butterfly come from? About this there are three theories. One, basing itself on an archaic Dutch word for butterfly, boterschijte or "buttershit," is that this reflects the color of a butterfly's bowel movements. (On which my American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language comments acerbically, "This [would be] as astonishing a phenomenon as the fact that anyone ever noticed the color of butterfly excrement.") A second explanation, i.e., that some Lepidoptera are a buttery yellow, doesn't make much sense either: Why name butterflies just for the yellow ones? A third theory holds that, in medieval folklore, butterflies were believed to be disguised witches or fairies who stole butter from pantries and churns. The belief in butter-stealing fairies still existed in England at the time of Shakespeare, in whose "Midsummer Night's Dream" a fairy asks its fellow fairy, Puck:
Are you not heThat fright the maidens of the villagery; Skim milk and sometimes labor in the quern,And bootless make the breathless housewife churn?
The housewife churns "bootlessly" because Puck has stolen her butter. http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.09.13/arts4.html
Did you know:
quote:You will be suprised to know that the English word love comes from a Sanskrit word lobha; lobha means greed. It may have been just a coincidence that the English word love grew out of a Sanskrit word that means greed, but my feeling is that it cannot be just a coincidence. There must be something more mysterious behind it. In fact, greed digested becomes love. It is greed, lobha, digested well, whhich becomes love.Love is sharing; greed is hoarding. Greed only wants and never gives, and love knows only giving and never asks for anything in return; it is unconditional sharing. There may be some alchemical reason that lobha has become love in the English language. Lobha becomes love as far as inner alchemy is concerned.Osho, from Love, Freedom and Aloneness the Koan of Realationships
Osho, from Love, Freedom and Aloneness the Koan of Realationships
"Molten Butterfly Storm"
------------------"And dreams, don't ever forget, are the first step in manifesting wishes into reality"-- Linda Goodman's Star Signs
I'll share something with you!
When my mother was a little girl, 4 or 5 years of age, she said to her mother:"MUM, Guess what? I was your mum once you know!?"
And my nana just laughed, but for some reason, they both have always rememberd this 40 years later.
Children are coiled with secrets
I can believe it though, we can learn so much from children
Reincarnation is another thing I am facinated by NeoKitty.
raihs ~ I'd love to hear more pearls of wisdom from that magical child of yours!
------------------~* "I believe in magic" *~ KF
------------------"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll
Petron: thank you for great info.
------------------You can't lead a cavalry charge if you think you look funny on a horse. J. Peers
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